John 5:18, 1 John 3:2, Titus 2:11-14

Trinity verses

This section is based on various conversations and letters I have engaged in. I’m hoping to bring clarity to verses that some find problematic.

John 5:18
“Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.”
If I say that God is my Father does that make me equal with God? Yes, in Elohim nature but that does not mean I am Jehovah.

1 John 3:2
“Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.”
Do we believe that we are part of the Trinity or are we willing to accept an alternative meaning to son-ship and equality with God? I doubt that most would argue against the fact that we can be sons and daughters of God. Nor would these children say that God is not their Father. However, if calling God your Father requires one to be “God” then maybe we can agree on the Elohim understanding of equality.

Titus 2:11-14:
The best translation is the KJV in this instance:

“Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Savior Jesus Christ;”

Follow Peace

Why I Reject the Trinity Part: 16

This is the end. I don’t know how most of you have received any of this but it was all meant to help. I hope that accepting my lens of Jesus will help you in many ways.

I hope it will help those of you who accept Paul’s Gospel to have a place with less or no tension with Jesus’ actions and words. That instead of trying to rape and twist scripture to make Jesus perpetually “fat and happy” you can accept him for who he is. He is an emotional person who loves you. He has expectations, joy, intimacy, and at times disappointment with his bride. He is our Lord, husband, King, friend, and brother. The Father is reconciled with humanity; Jesus, not so much.

Understanding the Elohim will, I believe, tear down walls between us and God and our Lord. They are not distant from us. Regardless of how many times we chant and sing about our “closeness” to them, in our minds it is hard not to feel separated from such a distinctly different nature of being found in the Trinity. Removing the doctrinal hurdles between us and them can bring tenderness and warmth to a previously cold and sacred point of view.

Finally I hope understanding Jesus as the vehicle of the Father and the place where we commune with the Father will help us to understand their ministry of reconciliation. It can increase how we view his strength and worthiness as our savior. It will also help us understand our ministry of reconciliation as well.

I have never talked with a person who did not at some point in their life question the Trinity. It has become one of those concepts you must either accept or reject. Most people feel that to reject the Trinity is to somehow reject or diminish Jesus. I honestly think my position glorifies him more. Yet none of that is my motivation. I accept my lens simply because I believe it is truth and I have peace from my spirit on the matter. Let the Holy Spirit guide you in truth on this and follow his peace.

(Though this is the end of the teaching I will continue to post scriptures after this that people find problematic. Most would be bored with it and I don’t technically consider it part of the teaching. However, it may be necessary for those who still have hang-ups/questions.)

Am I the "antichrist"??

Why I Reject the Trinity Part: 15

[We are told that by believing in Jesus we are MADE the very righteousness of GOD through Christ (II Corinthians 5:21). Why does it not say we are made the righteousness of Christ through faith in Him? Jesus could only give us what He had. If it is Jesus’ righteousness that was exchanged for our unrighteousness, how is it that this says what is imputed to us is God’s righteousness? I believe the answer is that Jesus possessed God’s righteousness because He was God in the flesh - therefore we are able to receive the very righteousness of God, which is His, credited to our account.] An anonymous friend


This is a misunderstanding of righteousness. Righteousness is not a substance and it is not holiness. It is right standing, a position. Jesus is in right standing with the Father. If you are in Christ you can experience the free gift of being in his right standing with God. The definition of righteousness is - in a broad sense: the state of him who is as he ought to be, righteousness, the condition acceptable to God. The state of being is dictated by God therefore is God’s righteousness, but Jesus holds the position. So Jesus is in right standing with God or you could say God’s righteousness. Once again Jesus is a vehicle. We use him to enjoy God. God is in him and so are we. Jesus is our tent of meeting.

2 Corinthians 5:21
“For he hath made him [to be] sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.”

2 Peter 1:1
“Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Savior Jesus Christ:”

1 Corinthian 1:30
“But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:”

Antichrist?

Some accuse or warn me of my doctrine being antichrist.

II John 1:7-8
“Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist. Watch out that you do not lose what you have worked for, but that you may be rewarded fully.”

I John 4:1-3
“Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.”

I believe Jesus came in the flesh. The authors of the Apocalypse of John, the Gospel of John, as well as I, II and III John wrote to the Johannine community. Some members departed and became a rival sect, mostly over the question of the 'flesh' of Jesus Christ. I John was most likely written between 90-120 A.D., these groups tended toward certain Gnostic teaching that believed the flesh was inherently evil and therefore Jesus did not have flesh.

I understand the thoughts and concerns on the matter. It would seem that most initial responses to an “attack” on the Trinity would be negative. I’m not offended by these statements and I appreciate that people care to speak to me about it. However, I don’t believe they are correct. In fact, though technically including Jesus’ flesh, the Trinitarian position diminishes his flesh far more than mine.

I hope after reading this all can see that I strongly believe Jesus came in the flesh. These verses do not relate to any Trinitarian ideas. If the text said, “every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus as being the third member of the Triune God is of the antichrist,” then you would have a great case.

Orthodox Christianity believes that Jesus is God in the flesh because it is an important part of the Imperial Church and their doctrines. After the Council of Nicea the church was in bed with Rome, and Constantine would not allow disunity in the church. The text we have in the canon is a direct result of the prompting of a pagan emperor.

Orthodoxy means nothing to me. This doctrine is anything other than clear in scripture. Even when I agree to limit myself to the cannon most Trinitarians deemed authoritative, the text fails to prove their doctrine. History is written by those who win the wars and so was the Trinity doctrine.